Spuzzum, not to be rude, but shut up :oP

My country is as free as yours is. =P

I'd argue that, but there's no point.

Okay, all gods and demons will now be removed from World of LexyQuest. I have to say, though, that I stand by everything that I said earlier. You're a massive hypocrite... that's not a bash, it's demonstrably true... you object to roleplayed/game demons on the basis of the Bible, but not other things which the Bible condemns.

If your objection was that WOLQ contains quite a few things that the Bible condemns, I would have some respect for your argument, and I certainly wouldn't expect you to play the game. But as it is, your argument is... well... indefensible. I was right all along about the source of your unease, and the flaw in your reasoning.

The bible condemns such things as divination, practicing magic, looking for omens, sorcery, binding with spells, consulting spirit mediums ("Agents used as a vessel of a demon of divination") and fortunetellers, because all such things are linked with demons.

If your objection was sound, you'd be objecting not to just demons but any supernatural practices, occurrences, or powers. As I said (and I believe you'll find the Bible backs me up on this one), whether you call them demons or not, any supernatural agent that is not God which imparts powers to you is a demon or agent of the devil. If your objection is TRULY based on the Bible, you would run away from any game that had magic, undead, "damned" characters, etc.

(Deuteronomy Chapter 18, verses 10 and 11) Also Idolatry (Galations Chapter 5, verses 19 and 20) and the worship of elements are condemned. (Deuteronomy Chapter 17, verses 2 through 5)

Um, why are you presuming to tell me this? I was the one who pointed this out to you earlier in the thread. You said putting in altars to elemental concepts was an acceptable stand-in for making up a religion for the game, I said this was -still- making up a religion for the game and thus idolatry. If you won't play a game because it has gods in it, you've got no call playing it if it has an altar built to give thanks to water. If you're so up on the Bible, then you'd know God doesn't like it when others take credit for His water. Just ask Moses.

You could use the argument "It's just a game" if you wanted, but it really doesn't make much of a difference. If it condemns things linked with demons, why would playing a game containing or about them be any different? To me, it's not.

If it condemns killing or stealing or coveting, then why would playing a game with violence, theft, and the acquisition of thy neighbor's goods be any different? Hypocrite!

Since the bible is commonly used in quite a few religions worldwide, it's not unreasonable to expect some people to be upset over things like this in a game. Whether you choose to care or not is up to you.

I expect people to be upset over demons, yes. I know I'd certainly be upset if I came across a demon. However... and this is a big however... there are NO demons in any computer game. None. Nada. Zip. Zero. It is... JUST A GAME.

I make a little red-skinned monster with horns. I name it a demon. I fill my game with them. How many actual demons are there in the game? NONE. As you said when asked about games where you kill someone, "I prefer to avoid fatal gaming." Ha ha. Very clever. Well, I prefer to avoid demonic gaming. But you can still avoid fatal gaming and still have games where killing is -represented-, right?

Now that I've articulated that, I realize I don't have to make any changes to WOLQ. Yes, I'm still honoring my word... it's just that there are absolutely no gods or demons anywhere in it. There's also no swords or monsters or rooms or dungeons or torches or elves in it. How could there be? It's a computer program, it contains neither physical matter nor supernatural elements. It's JUST A GAME. If my game upsets people who can't distinguish fantasy from reality... good. Maybe if they get upset enough, they'll learn to so distinguish.

Fine, I'm a hypocrite, I've stil got plenty of things about me that need working on, but this is Design Philosophy, not Discuss Foomer's Religion, so anything else on the matter is strictly NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS.

I never suggested building alters to elements, or anything of such. You might compare what I said to someone making a statue of a famous figure and putting it in a public place. Making a statue of someone isn't worshiping them, it's only showing honor and respect for what they did.

And I do dislike games with violence, stealing, sorcery and all those things you listed. If you'd ever see some of the games I created you'd know that. But it's pretty hard to explore other people's creations on Byond without finding things like that in them.

How many decent parents today don't care if their kid goes and spends a few hours looking up pornography online. It doesn't mean anything, it's just pixels, right? There's nothing wrong with pixels... It's what they represent that means something.


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And for a change, try to express things in as few words as possible. I don't like having to shuffle through paragraphs of Lexytalk to figure out what you're really saying.

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And for a change, try to express things in as few words as possible. I don't like having to shuffle through paragraphs of Lexytalk to figure out what you're really saying.

No, then it would be an argument, and you don't like arguments. When people are exploring an issue openly and fully to see all sides (or at least reasonably so), that's a debate. When people sum up their side into short, blunt bullet points and won't explain their reasoning, that's an argument. In the posts where you've actually contributed something instead of putting random evasive nonsense, you've been arguing. Although Lexy's been sounding pretty frustrated in her last few posts, most of the time she's been debating.

The more I think about it, the more it bothers me that I don't know what you based your objection on. When you refuse to elaborate, that bothers me even more, and on an even more basic level, for reasons articulated in the posts above.

This is caused more by the the forum and it's posters than any lack of reason. Any time I post my reasons, there is someone quite willing to argue with them. What you call "arguing" might be different that mine, but once I've stated my reasons, I don't want anyone out there telling me why they think I'm wrong.

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The more I think about it, the more it bothers me that I don't know what you based your objection on. When you refuse to elaborate, that bothers me even more, and on an even more basic level, for reasons articulated in the posts above.

This is caused more by the the forum and it's posters than any lack of reason. Any time I post my reasons, there is someone quite willing to argue with them. What you call "arguing" might be different that mine, but once I've stated my reasons, I don't want anyone out there telling me why they think I'm wrong.

By stating your believes/reasons/whatever on a public forum, you also make them subject to critisizm(however you spell that) by the public. Furthermore, if you state something and someone has another view, they are very likely to argue, to correct what they believe is wrong, to give a different view, or to try to understand why someone has these believes/reasons.

Having that state of mind when it comes to public forums is a bad idea, because its almost certain that you WILL get responses to any kind of reason you state. If there is a flicker of doubt/disagreement in any one person that reads these forums(Which is a growing number) most likely they will respond

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