In response to Wontoon
GatewayRa wrote:
Tom said in another forum topic that the Developer Help and Design Philosophy are likely staying so long as "maintenance mode"'s costs are met monthly.
In response to Kboy33
Kboy33 wrote:
GatewayRa wrote:
Tom said in another forum topic that the Developer Help and Design Philosophy are likely staying so long as "maintenance mode"'s costs are met monthly.

What about all those tutorials and snippets? Developers put a lot of hard work into those. Finding a solution to a problem is no longer a forum search away.
Tom mentioned a wiki where a lot of the information could be stored. Although I'm not sure who's going to be making it.
In response to Kboy33
Kboy33 wrote:
GatewayRa wrote:
Tom said in another forum topic that the Developer Help and Design Philosophy are likely staying so long as "maintenance mode"'s costs are met monthly.

Whoops, I missed over that part. Thanks. :D
In response to EmpirezTeam
EmpirezTeam wrote:
Tom mentioned a wiki where a lot of the information could be stored. Although I'm not sure who's going to be making it.

That sounds like it could work, if not a Wiki there is also /r/dreammakers

Wouldn't it be better for Tom to host it on the web server, and just hand select some of the more experienced and mature developers around here to help run it? It would be kind of nice to have everything all in one place if possible.
LordAndrew, Kaiochao and I were going to copy the reference over to Nadrew's wiki, along with the Red Book and other various documentations on things.
I doubt they're ever going to remove anything of use to developers (libraries & tutorials). I'd assume that stuff would be hosted on BYOND until the project doesn't have the funds for hosting. Worrying about that is probably a little silly until Tom provides clarification on what the plan is, if anything is even definite right now.

When I last spoke to Tom, while he didn't specify a time, he said the current setup is going to remain as it is for a while.

As for the topic itself, awesome stuff. I'll be sure to use this as a reference when need be. :)
Guys, just get this through your thick skulls: BYOND is mostly done, use it or lose it (Ok, now that I have your attention, I'm sorry :) ). It would be cool if we used it and it were able to pick up a bit of extra development from earned money, but that is up to us, not Tom and Lummox. They're tried their best to promote their client (and were not able to do so) to some of the best programmers and pixel artists on this site. They weren't able to attract positive outside attention, it was mostly neutral. How many flash game sites do you go on when you're 15? Probably a million, and only the best ones will stick out to you and will be shared between your friends. Community members ended up giving up on their projects or "leaving the community in an upset mode" because the engine just didn't fit their end-game vision.

Really though, some people made decent games and didn't have millions of dollars to promote them in newspapers and whatever gamer magazine is popular these days. So, I really can't point a finger at either party, I just played devil's advocate for each side to compare them at extremes.
In response to Cloud Magic
We still have 4K pepople on daily, so it's all good.
Lol, 4k.
b-but if we had blogs backs and better mods we could have like, 40k online r-right guys?
In response to EnigmaticGallivanter
EnigmaticGallivanter wrote:
b-but if we had blogs backs and better mods we could have like, 40k online r-right guys?

This guy gets it.
In response to Kboy33
Kboy33 wrote:
We still have 4K pepople on daily, so it's all good.

It's actually 4,001. I'm always AFK.
In response to EnigmaticGallivanter
I used to spend most of my time on this site reading and commenting on the blogs. They were a great part of an INDIE GAME DEVELOPMENT site in my opinion. Of course now without the forums I'm losing even my forum icon I paid for.
Due to my having been inactive for the greater part of a year, I have no clue what's been going on. Can someone explain this to me? It seems like there's still forums...
In response to Magicmann
Magicmann wrote:
Due to my having been inactive for the greater part of a year, I have no clue what's been going on. Can someone explain this to me? It seems like there's still forums...

Yea, it hasn't actually happened. If I recall correctly, Tom made a comment at one point about potentially stripping down the forums to just the development-centric portions if BYOND had to go into a bare-minimum maintenance mode, but then people kind of freaked out and assumed he meant "right now". See his comment earlier in this thread for his clarification. I think the only real forum change since was renaming "BYOND Discussion" to "On Topic".
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