Fat Albert wrote:

In my opinion all there is needed is better games.

Yep. When a prospective new developer looks at the engine, sure he might go over the list of features and such, but more importantly he (or she) will go over the games that were made in the engine. If you look at the Unity3d and Game Maker websites, they both prominently feature a showcase or a "made with this engine" gallery of games that are varied and all look very professional and polished.

BYOND is notorious in the game development community at large for being incapable of making good games. NOTORIOUS. Hell, a lot of us in our small community have internalized the same sentiment. I've received, countless times, the comment "wow that doesn't look like it was made in BYOND"

We need to change this by making good games. When we demonstrate that good and pretty games can be made in the engine, good developers will come and the community will flourish.

Couldn't you guys ever necropost on threads that aren't compete cancer? I swear all of you take this community way too seriously and just get off on the doom and gloom shit.

I think Lugia has a point in regards to marketing. It seems to me, based on the numerous topics about BYOND dying that the majority think it's up to the players to market their games better to attract people to BYOND. That could help however I think that ultimately it's Lummox's job to market BYOND, and would bring plenty of people if done right.

Kumorii wrote:

Couldn't you guys ever necropost on threads that aren't compete cancer?

Unless I'm wrong, "necroposting" is the act of posting in threads that are old. This thread is less than a month (I made sure to check before posting). So please, don't use terms that are wrong (unless I'm mistaken here, in which case I ask you to forgive me).

Konlet wrote:

Really, if you feel like BYOND is dying that's definitely your opinion.

No opinion exists without a reason. If someone feels BYOND is dying, it's because he/she has facts to prove it, for example, low playerbase/less active games (unless we are talking about trolls, in which case we should move on).

Personally, I'd like to see BYOND grow beyond what everyone thinks it's capable of.

Well, but that's a wish, not a fact. It's the same as saying "I'd like to live in a castle even if people say it's impossible". You can't really expect it to survive because you want it to.

advertising or publicity.

I agree with this point. Also, I'd like to point out that adding more restrictions to those who aren't subscribers isn't clearly helping at all (I still want to find out whose idea was to make us suffer an advertisement of 4 minutes to get into a game just to make us pay for membership). Yeah, you need money, I get it. But you also need a playerbase to survive, too (of course, those who pay should still get the benefits of paying, but you also need to look after those who don't pay, too, instead of adding more restrictions that turn off many players).

Your game could've been released if you weren't relying on webclient, something several other platforms already support quite well.