<> Mar 12 2016, 3:06 pm


I allways try minimize place in code.

When you're only reorganizing your code to make it smaller, like rewriting
proc/Foo(x) as proc/Foo(x) if(x) return 1 you're doing nothing at all except shaving a few irrelevant bytes of your .dm file, at the cost of making it less readable. This is something that just is not worth it in the long run. 
<> Mar 12 2016, 3:28 pm


Agreed, but I do prefer singleline if statements if the block is only a single instruction. Especially when that instruction is a return.
Minimizing scope traversals and using  and && operators properly is really solid, though. Also, organizing  and && operations is really important. Generally you want the heaviest operation to be last. So like: if(canAct()&&!dead) should be: if(dead!canAct()) return That's because it's preferable to bail out early rather than invoke the function if the boolean is false.  and && operator shortcircuiting is a great way to prevent unneeded instructions and speed up code. 
<> Mar 12 2016, 4:25 pm


To avoid creating extra code blocks, you can do stuff like this:
health <= 0 && Die() I first saw this done in Lummox JR's Runt source a few years ago. Yeah, the compressed version. Similarly, proc/Foo(x) 
Kaiochao wrote:
To avoid creating extra code blocks, you can do stuff like this: health <= 0 && Die() I first saw this done in Lummox JR's Runt source a few years ago. Yeah, the compressed version. Once again, at the expense of readability. Something like that should not be a bottleneck, so there is no reason for it to be done there. Even in a bottleneck, hopefully if statements are not so processheavy that they contribute notably to how quickly or slowly code is processed. 
<> Mar 12 2016, 7:10 pm


Agreed with pop. Understanding shortcircuiting though. The bottleneck in the line that Kaiochao wrote is ironically the proc call overhead of calling Die(), so the scope traversal is really actually a nonissue. More important is understanding that && and  shortcircuit, potentially skipping a large number of heavy instructions and sometimes preempting runtime errors.

<> Mar 12 2016, 8:11 pm


Yeah, if(!a) b is equivalent to a && b for shortcircuit logic purposes, so the only reason to use the && form is if you're compressing code. Except in Perl, where such things are considered a high art for some reason.

<> Mar 14 2016, 11:09 pm


Ter13 said:
Setting the return value can in some cases be faster than directly invoking return. In other cases it can be slower, though these cases have nothing to do with the return value. It has to do with scope traversal and internal housekeeping DM has to do. I have more to learn regarding computer science so I'll take your word for it. (I've been slacking honestly but this encouraged me to get back to reading.) 
<> Mar 15 2016, 6:50 am


IMO learning higher level math is just as important as learning how to program

<> Mar 15 2016, 11:28 am
In response to Zagros5000


Zagros5000 wrote:
IMO learning higher level math is just as important as learning how to program Maybe some calculus, series, and if you're ambitious some differential equations, but those are not terribly advanced to be honest. Once you move past those you're getting into the realm of leaving things to the experts (cryptography, PRNGs, fast computational algorithms like fast matrix multiplication, etc.). I don't see how even basic graduate level math courses like topology, abstract algebra, and analysis are generally applicable to daytoday programming (though there are definitely some cases, especially for analysis). 
<> Mar 15 2016, 11:50 am
In response to Popisfizzy


Have to agree with you on that. Everything up to and including the calculus level can be quite beneficial to programming, but anything more advanced than that probably isn't.

<> Mar 15 2016, 11:52 am


I have never had to differentiate or integrate anything when it comes to programming.

Doohl wrote:
I have never had to differentiate or integrate anything when it comes to programming. Few programmers will need to, especially if they're just using algorithms implemented by someone else. But for some things—numerical methods, for example—you'll often need not just calculus, but analysis in general, especially for things like working out convergence criteria, rates of convergence, complexity, and so on. 
<> Mar 15 2016, 12:54 pm


Calculus can be surprisingly useful for a number of things. For instance, one of the things I'd like to do with the BYOND code for map chunks is take rotations into account with animations, and right now I'm not doing that. Calculus is what I'll need to get the min and max positions of the visual corners of the icon during each stage of the interpolated transform.
That said, the math for such a thing is really hairy. The final equation for the x and y of each corner has six terms, combining t, sin(n+mt), cos(n+mt), t*sin(n+mt), t*cos(n+mt), and a constant. Calculating the min and max on that is somewhat ugly, since the first derivative is in this form: a*t*sin(m+nt) + b*t*cos(m+mt) + c*sin(m+nt) + d*cos(m+nt) + e Solving that equation for zero along the interval 0 ≤ t ≤ 1 is nontrivial. I could just use interval math to handle this without calculus, but that won't produce as tight a rectangle. 
<> Mar 15 2016, 12:55 pm


Its more about the problem solving skills you develop but either way my profs always tell me that Lin alg and discrete math is a must for comp sci students who wanna do anything with their degrees, didn't say much about calc but I'm pretty sure we're just forced to take it to develop problem solving skills

<> Mar 15 2016, 12:56 pm


I've always wanted to go and learn more than + * / and .
I've been interested lately in trying to make map generators. I've been craving board games quq 
<> Mar 15 2016, 1:02 pm
In response to Zagros5000


Zagros5000 wrote:
either way my profs always tell me that Lin alg and discrete math is a must for comp sci students who wanna do anything with their degrees Well, linear algebra is so ridiculously useful that I have a hard time thinking of a significant math field that it isn't used all the time. Maybe formal language theory? At the same time, linear algebra is so very basic that I wouldn't call it advanced math whatsoever. It's actually one of the things I'd like to write a tutorial on (specifically, a tutorial series on matrices and vector spaces) if there were better math markup on these forums. As for discrete math, that term is so broad that I can't comment. 
<> Mar 15 2016, 1:07 pm
In response to Popisfizzy


It's considered one of the harder first year math courses at my school, as for discrete math I take it second year so idk much about it either except the description they give; include elementary number theory (gcd, lcm, Euclidean algorithm, congruences, Chinese remainder theorem) and graph theory (connectedness, complete, regular and bipartite graphs; trees and spanning trees, Eulerian and Hamiltonian graphs, planar graphs; vertex, face and edge colouring; chromatic polynomials).
I still have 3 more years before I can judge what I'm gunna end up using or not tho 
Kozuma3 wrote:
I've always wanted to go and learn more than + * / and . Well, there's some really cool algebras that use those as their only operations. For example, the algebra of polynomials over the real numbers is a graded, infinite dimensional algebra that is also a unique factorization domain, meaning that it has prime elements (kind of like prime numbers in the natural numbers). As such, the main operations are addition (consequently, subtraction too) and multiplication. You can also do division on them (and specifically, Euclidean division). Honestly, polynomials are ridiculously cool in ways they simply do not really explain until you start learning more about abstract algebra. 
<> Mar 15 2016, 1:09 pm


I lost you at algebra.
