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 Jun 7 2012, 1:12 pm
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I think is not fair totally i just team viewered a person thats not a member i told him to make a hub it says you have to become a byond member to make a demo and lib its just not fair i understand if you cant make your game visble but this is passed the line please some one change this.
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#1 Jun 7 2012, 1:20 pm
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Lugia319
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Life isn't fair.
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#2 Jun 7 2012, 1:57 pm
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This comes up too many times.
It's not fair for BYOND to let you use their product for free. The developers work pretty hard to provide you with their software as well as its website. | |
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#3 Jun 7 2012, 3:06 pm
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Can we please, please stop bringing this up every month as it if were something they changed just yesterday. This has been discussed in-depth and the reasoning behind it is that BYOND needs money to support itself. You do not need a hub to make a game or a library, it is merely advertising you pay to receive.
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#4 Jun 7 2012, 3:14 pm
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Even without a hub, libraries/demos can be posted in the Tutorial and Snippets section.
LordAndrew wrote: Can we please, please stop bringing this up every month as it if were something they changed just yesterday. This has been discussed in-depth and the reasoning behind it is that BYOND needs money to support itself. You do not need a hub to make a game or a library, it is merely advertising you pay to receive. Advertising, with a built in forum, scoreboard, game media space (screenshots, videos), and the ability for others to track when your game is up via following it. All reasons to buy a membership. | |
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#5 Jun 7 2012, 4:07 pm
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In addition to what the others have mentioned, one year of BYOND membership is still much cheaper than purchasing your own domain and paying for it and website hosting. You'd still have a lot of work to do, on top of those costs, to get dynamic lists of servers, full forums with bug and feature trackers, etc, and have to advertise even more by yourself just for people to find your website.
BYOND handles a lot of advertising, setup, etc, for you immediately when you create a hub. I honestly think that this advertising should've cost something much sooner, but like I said, it's still much cheaper and easier. The guys that run BYOND need to eat too. | |
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#6 Jun 7 2012, 4:09 pm
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am just saying atleast give the Non members one hub that if they delete they cant make another hub just one hub they can fully edit ONE
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Dr.Penguin wrote:
am just saying atleast give the Non members one hub that if they delete they cant make another hub just one hub they can fully edit ONE This leaves a lot of room for abuse. Simply put, it is what it is and one more person complaining isn't going to do any good. Go see the large number of other posts about this if you want more information. There's only so many ways you can say "Hubs cost money. That's life. BYOND gives you all the software for free and charge you for advertisement. You can still create a game for free and advertise it yourself for free." | |
Dr.Penguin wrote:
am just saying atleast give the Non members one hub that if they delete they cant make another hub just one hub they can fully edit ONE If you want your friend to be able to have a hub, then there is only one simple way to get him one. Buy him a membership, or get someone else to, or better yet let him buy it himself. We BYOND Members have paid for our subscriptions, your friend or anyone else shouldn't be an exception. Hardly anything in life is free, especially when it comes to game development. | |
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#9 Jun 7 2012, 7:01 pm
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Dr.Penguin i kno what you mean :( i came because this site was AKA "Build Your Own Net Dream" but i feel as if you can't really do it anymore. But i feel like they made it like that so that it can get rid of all those little kids who really can't make a game and let more of the mature people actually make games.( although this doesn't even work xD) But again even if it isn't fair nothing is going to change people keep using byond as a way to get money they don't contribute shit back to byond. If more games out their had byond benifits in their games that might change but everyone on byond wants some money so the chance of that changing is very low :\ that's how i see it.
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#10 Jun 7 2012, 7:05 pm
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You still have the tools to "Build Your Own Net Dream", you just don't have certain features like medals, scoreboards, and a hosting page. You have the actual engine, and the ability to play it. Seems like you can build anything you want to me.
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#12 Jun 7 2012, 7:09 pm
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Actually, you sorta can. I use a different website to keep track of my games, and I used them as forums before the new membership hub/forums came in. You can use that free website as a hub, direct people to your BYOND game through that instead of BYOND.
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yeah but that's a sorta and byond doesn't list your games and such
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#14 Jun 7 2012, 7:35 pm
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I don't understand why so many people on BYOND are scared to advertise off-site.. Take Nestalgia for example. Off-site advertisements got them a majority of their playerbase.
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Again for the sixth dozen time, you do not need a hub to make a game on BYOND. I don't understand why BYOND users get so caught up on the idea that they absolutely NEED a hub to have a game.
Look at almost every other single language out there: they don't have any sort of hub system. If you make a game in any other language, you have to market your game by advertising it or creating a website for it. Furthermore, the listing status of your game on BYOND should have no standing on anything other than the fact it's visible to BYOND's player-base. No one outside of BYOND (which should be your target audience) cares if your game is "listed" or "rejected". | |