Silkwizard, I'm sorry but your last few comments made me laugh. You're taking original v. fan games very seriously. Let's think about what kind of people come here to develop. People don't come here with such a serious developer attitude as you are currently displaying. Instead, it's a more laid-back, hobby attitude. Don't assume BYOND will even ever become some great original game paradise. It will never be that way, and I don't predict it will ever be any different than it is now. Think about the concept of BYOND to begin with. It's designed to be easy to develop games. If someone was really serious about what they were doing, not just doing it because it would be cool or as a hobby, they'd go study something else and make a career out of it. I have nothing against original games, don't get me wrong. You're just taking this way too seriously for a site like BYOND. Heck, you all are, not just Silkwizard. I don't want to make it seem like I'm hating on Silkwizard here. I respect his and all your opinions and also disagree with it.

BYOND has a place on the internet. It's a great tool with much potential. With that ease-of-use comes crappy games all over the place. It's just the way it is. You'll get some golden ones along the way, but not many. Call fan-games the easy way out, I don't care. Some people have dreams when they find Dream Maker, mine happened to be fan-games. Either way, it's all a hobby to me. I don't predict BYOND will ever be more than that to a lot of people. I still love it, though; and so do those lots of other people!

Thank you.

It's startling how argumentative people become when they feel they're not benefiting from a change.

Tom wants to promote originality on BYOND, and that's what he's going to do. Can you really blame him for not featuring illegal games on the hub? Fangame developers are fortunate enough to not be hidden by BYOND, let alone have their own search tag.

Personally, I'm overjoyed with the recent changes, and anxious for future updates that promote originality on BYOND, which I will continue to support. :)

Silk seems to think all fangames developers are taking the easy way out. A quality fangame is pretty challenging. I actually find making an original game more easy having removing all the limits to work withen (aside from the fact I'm horrible with animated graphics and that is what kept me from finishing Crimson Moon). Its great to inspire people to make original games but not everyone is going to have to time to do so on a site that most people come on to have fun. I really do want to see more players on original games as that would really change how the outside views Byond. Getting rid of rips was a great start. Lazily made fangames really shouldn't be on either, but that is my opinion.
Fangames that used all original graphics and music but used the name and ideas really should have taken the next step and became original games. If you are working on a game like this, please take note of that and place another original title on Byond's ranks.

SilkWizard wrote:

The reality you're ignoring, however, is that BYOND is a business. Tom has to do what it takes to protect and promote that business. Fan games are a dead end for BYOND. Promoting quality original games is a path to greater success.

wasn't aware that success only comes from original games. quality over originality, in my opinion, that's what makes a game what it is, be the unique training, battle, or skill systems. besides, in the technical view, originality doesn't really exist.

You have pickles falling at a faster rate that sake and occupying the same tile when they reach the bottom. Expect an angry, wordy review! >=(

Also, needs more jetsues and gm commands.

I keep hearing the fan game talk like anime is only fan games around. Rips shouldn't be getting any attention at all and poorly made fan games should be hidden. While promoting original titles as much as possible, there are still fan games were developers take the time to make into quality games. Fan games should taken at a case by case basis, but original games still need to have some quality to them.

It's up to the developers of original fan games to make sure they aren't breaking copy write laws. They can do that be contacting the company that holds the copy write and finding out what they can and can not do with that license. Then if their project breaks any of those copy writes it is their job to change their project till it falls into those lines. Very few games I seen on Byond have taken the time to contact the companies that hold the copy writes to what they are using, let alone even credit them for it.
Hense more reasons for new developers to not make fan games but original games as they don't have to worry about a company having final say in their game.

I'm aware that an original game can be trash, but it is still original and there is really no reason that it should be hidden like anime games are since it isn't violating any rules. Less detailed games where the owner didn't put much effort into the game should just be pushed back 2 or 3 pages or something.

Dpheonix7 wrote:

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Lol, I didnt make it too complex =P and sake has a 10% chance of falling. I didnt wanna make it too fast. And I agree with the Gm commands, god-forbid admins dont abuse.