Health Care Thoughts

(This is not my work. This is from a friend of mine who blogs on his Facebook account. This is posted with his permission. I do not agree entirely with the contents of this post, but I believe the post brings up pertinent points to discuss.)

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Health care is a really confusing and difficult issue and pretty much the only one that I've never claimed to know how to fix. (Right?) But, since everyone is in the same boat, I'm going to offer my thoughts anyway.

I have a lot of elderly friends at church and we sit together after Mass eating donuts. Whenever the topic of health care has come up in the past few months, the response has been extremely odd. Their first and main concern is, that they think that Medicare will be cut if we pass the health care plan. Let me rephrase this: they are afraid of Democrats cutting Medicare, and think they can trust the Republicans to guard their interests.

Their next concern is that we are making America socialist. This is coming from people who have collected from Social Security, 5-10 times what they put in, and whose precious Medicare is heavily subsidized at taxpayer expense.

Huh??

Thought #1: Have any overall opinion of the Democrats you want, but regardless, the idea that you can trust Republicans to guard Medicare's funding better, is stupid. And both parties are very much afraid of you anyway. So don't worry.

Thought #2: Ranting against socialism while cashing Social Security checks is hypocritical.

Thought #3: Our European allies, Britain, France and Germany, etc. have fought communism with us for decades. They all have "socialist" public health care systems that are working no worse than ours if not better.

Thought #4: It's true that we have the best medical care in the world. But you and I don't get that care. We get the 2nd or 3rd tier, sometimes the 4th tier. By the time you get in to see a doctor, you've gotten better because it's been a week! So who gets the benefit of our top surgeons and hospital facilities? The rich. They can buy whatever they want and yes, it's awesome care, but so what?

Okay, back to my elderly friends. The next thing they say is that they worry about "rationing healthcare". They fear a board of faceless bureaucrats deciding who gets care, and therefore, who lives and who dies. "OMG, how can they put a price on life??" As if we haven't had military bureaucrats sending our soldiers into harm's way for the past 8 years, while Halliburton (Dick Cheney's company) made billions in profit.

At this point I draw the line.

Thought #5: I respond, Hello! I'm working and I have Blue Cross. I already have a corporation, with a faceless board, making decisions over health care, deciding who gets what they need and who doesn't. And this board literally gets paid when they deny expensive life-saving treatment. So I ask: Accepting the reality that there are limited health care resources in our country and therefore, there must be a board somewhere that makes such decisions,

Who do you want to trust with those decisions? Liberal Democrats? Or corporate executives?

I'm referring to the same corporate executives, who hand out bonuses to the employees that have screwed over the most paying clients. When questioned directly about this before Congressional committee, and asked to promise to stop this practice (called rescission), all refused.
http://www.greenchange.org/article.php?id=4538

This has always derailed the conversation. Because honestly, what do you think? Don't you want that life-saving board to be full of "liberal" people who will say Yes to you and your loved ones, and worry about the cost later?

Thought #6: We should always start analysis of a problem by asking, is this really significant? Is there really something wrong? In my high school debate, this was called "Significance". Because if it isn't broken, you don't go trying to fix it.

Here is a quick list of what I see as the significant effects of our for-profit health care system. I will return to this point in my next blog because I feel a need to nail the items down with actual numbers - yet at the same time I want to post this asap.

* The system is covering fewer and fewer people. Between 30-40 million uninsured American citizens, depending who does the counting.

* Timeliness and quality of service is down. I know that personally and you probably do too.

* Since 1980, health care costs have increased much faster than inflation. The total effect is staggering.

* Costs continue to rise every year with no end in sight.

* The number of doctors is going down each year, even as the need for health care goes up.

* This is only the tip of the iceberg! Our society ages every year. Decreased supply, increase demand = rising prices.



The real bottom-line issue is that our for-profit health care system is failing and is completely unprepared for the next decade.

Can anyone honestly and rationally challenge that statement?

Thought #7: I wish I was talking about the auto industry, so that I could say, "So what? Let them ride bikes!" But I'm not. This is health care. People will live longer and better or suffer more and die early based on our decision on this.

If this is the situation, why would anyone defend the status quo and insist on doing nothing?

By the way, have you noticed that we never actually say the words "for-profit health system"? Yet that's precisely what it is. Health care is provided primarily by companies and individuals seeking profits. But we're don't verbalize that. Interesting.

To be continued!

If you want to comment, please do so according to what is HERE. That is, refer your comment to a thought #. If you want to talk about a point I haven't covered yet, please wait. Write it in your notes and save it. I will most likely get there in the next blog or two. I'm taking this step-by-step and you will confuse and distract people if you get ahead of me. And the last thing we need is more confusion, right? The question "Is there really a problem with health care?" is surely enough to keep you busy.

Posted by Bootyboy on Tuesday, September 08, 2009 11:32AM - 12 comments / Members say: yea +0, nay -1

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#12 SuperAntx:  

The problem with our current healthcare system is it's focused on quantity, not quality. Doctors are inclined to use a lot of unnecessary expensive equipment and write up prescriptions to bogus drugs. That's how they make their living.

CHARTS AND GRAPHS!

The US spends about three times as much as Japan, UK, Canada, and pretty much everyone else yet we have the lowest life expectancy.

Wednesday, September 09, 2009 08:43AM

#11 Donutz:  

JP says "Well, with the exception of organ transplants, but that's more a matter of lack of organs than dirty bastard leftists."

Are you sure? There's literally a surplus of kidneys in the world, but selling them is banned by governments, so people are stuck on dialysis, or dying.

I wouldn't sell a kidney myself, but people should be allowed to do so.

However, if I could earn some money for my family after I die, I would consider writing in my will that they get my body, and can sell off the pieces how they see fit. Or maybe will it to a charity if my family thinks it's too creepy.

Wednesday, September 09, 2009 08:29AM
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#10 Jp:  

Regards Thought #4 - I don't see rationing of healthcare as necessary. No, not even under one of those scary socialist systems. It's not rationed in Australia, it's not rationed in the UK (Although they do have some longish waitings lists for some things, I hear), it's not rationed in France or Canada or so on.

Well, with the exception of organ transplants, but that's more a matter of lack of organs than dirty bastard leftists.

That said, what the government does decide is what gets covered under any sort of public healthcare scheme, and that can be used as a policy instrument - there was significant posturing under the last Australian government to take abortion out of our public healthcare system, for example.

Regardless, I think anyone examining the facts will notice that public healthcare has worked amazingly well everywhere else in the world, and that America's healthcare system is failing the poor, and by now, the middle class.

> It's the human condition. Can you imagine if people lived non-profit lives? How backwards would the world be?

> Or would you argue that doctors shouldn't try to earn more than it takes to keep themselves alive and with adequate knowledge and skills for their profession?

Well, if something like healthcare was run on a not-for-profit basis, I imagine it would look something like this: The government would guarantee a certain minimum level of care they will pay for. If you go to a government-certified doctor and get some government-covered treatment prescribed, the doctor bills the government, instead of you. I imagine some level of government control over the pricing of healthcare provided to the public in this manner is involved.

Healthcare can certainly work as a private system - and I am of the firm belief that any public healthcare system must have a private option - but I think any system that's private-only is going to have all sorts of issues. The profit motive is not a good thing to rely on if you want medical care to be readily available to everybody in your society - because it makes financial sense for healthcare insurance companies to make it as hard as possible to actually get them to pay up, and because the price the market will bear for healthcare is above what the poor can afford. Public healthcare doesn't have that issue, because government is directly accountable to the populace, and because government isn't driven by the profit motive - they don't get a bigger profit if they don't pay up for Timmy's leg operation.

Wednesday, September 09, 2009 03:46AM

#9 Donutz:  

"Health care is provided primarily by companies and individuals seeking profits."

It's the human condition. Can you imagine if people lived non-profit lives? How backwards would the world be?

Or would you argue that doctors shouldn't try to earn more than it takes to keep themselves alive and with adequate knowledge and skills for their profession?

Tuesday, September 08, 2009 04:35PM

#8 Fugsnarf:  

I believe that the only problems with healthcare are the unnecessary tests that doctors will perform to avoid lawsuits and also the fact that health insurance does not go across state lines. If we could reform those areas, I really see no other problems. When it comes to the people who can't afford to get health insurance, it's either because of the recession, or because they wouldn't be able to afford it anyways. There will always be lower-class people that can't afford things like that. You can't get rid of poverty.

Tuesday, September 08, 2009 03:00PM

#7 SuperAntx:  

At least the death panels will have a democratic voting process between Obama's evil henchmen when deciding how to kill your baby with down syndrome.

Tuesday, September 08, 2009 02:58PM

#6 Bootyboy:  

Quick note from the original poster:

If you want to comment, please do so according to what is HERE. That is, refer your comment to a thought #. If you want to talk about a point I haven't covered yet, please wait. Write it in your notes and save it. I will most likely get there in the next blog or two. I'm taking this step-by-step and you will confuse and distract people if you get ahead of me. And the last thing we need is more confusion, right? The question "Is there really a problem with health care?" is surely enough to keep you busy.

Tuesday, September 08, 2009 02:57PM

#5 Fugsnarf:  

Of course. The problem is that these extremely radical liberals in the white house seem to want socialism all around, which is obviously bad. Clearly, to me at least, they want the government to be in control. Everything I've seen them do has been socialistic.

Tuesday, September 08, 2009 02:54PM

#4 IainPeregrine:  

Fugsnarf wrote:
> The more sections of the economy they control, the closer they are to socialism.

We're not getting closer to socialism, we are socialists. The moment you say something like "I'm going to take the money that you collected [by being part of an economy which has working roads] and build some roads for the common good" you become socialist. America has tons of socialist programs, and I agree with most of them. In fact, the majority of voters agreed with them, too, because

Socialism is a Democratic process.

Seriously, when are we going to get over the red scare, and stop using "Socialism" as a synonym for "Stalinist styled Communism"? America, along with the majority of the developed world, is a mixed socialist/capitalist democracy, and that's great! If you've got a square deal, I'll take it. If you've got a new deal, I'll pitch in. If you've got a better deal, I'm all ears.

Tuesday, September 08, 2009 02:51PM

#3 SuperAntx:  

There have been three new clinics built in my area in the last year.

Less pills and more doctors, please.

Tuesday, September 08, 2009 12:51PM

#2 Fugsnarf:  

I do believe that our government is leaning towards socialism in today's policies. Anybody who knows how to grow and maintain an economy knows that you don't do it by redistributing wealth and printing more money.

I am fairly confident of this. The radical democratic liberals in control of the whitehouse want a bureaucracy. They want healthcare to be another bureau. The point of that is to make more "jobs" for people that work with that bureau, which also means they work for the government. Can the government run a business? Time and time again we have been shown that the question there is false. Most bureaus that have been made have become failures in one way or another. I think the government just wants more power. The more sections of the economy they control, the closer they are to socialism. Anybody with a brain should be able to do the research and see that government-run healthcare will just be another one of those failing bureaus.

Tuesday, September 08, 2009 12:47PM

#1 SuperAntx:  

"...blogs on his Facebook account."

lol wut?

Tuesday, September 08, 2009 11:40AM