Decriminalize me?
Poll: When do you think Marijuana will be decriminalized in the USA?
| Tomorrow |  7% (4) |
| In the next year |  8% (5) |
| in the next 5 years |  7% (4) |
| In the next 10 years |  17% (10) |
| In the next 25 years |  8% (5) |
| Not in our lifetime |  21% (12) |
| Never |  28% (16) |
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EDIT: When you answer, please understand that "within the next 10 years" mean anywhere from 6-10 years. "within 25 years" means between 11-25 years
Posted by Disturbed Puppy on Friday, April 03, 2009 01:57PM
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(Edited on Friday, April 03, 2009 02:14PM)
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#32 Cavern:
AlexisOneFire wrote:
> Damn, 6500 calories. I struggle with around 3000.
May I ask if that's a clean bulk or a dirty bulk?
I know I am posting this a little too late, but I am just letting you know that it is a clean bulk. I only eat clean calories.
Friday, April 10, 2009 11:02AM
#31 AlexisOnFire:
I only smoke pot with a Vaporizer. It's probably one of the "healthiest" way to do it.
Water Bongs are good also.
Damn, 6500 calories. I struggle with around 3000.
May I ask if that's a clean bulk or a dirty bulk?
Saturday, April 04, 2009 09:55AM
(Edited on Saturday, April 04, 2009 10:50AM)
#30 Disturbed Puppy:
Trosh Kubyo wrote:
> Stoners.
Obvious troll is banned.
Saturday, April 04, 2009 09:12AM
#29 Trosh Kubyo:
Stoners.
Saturday, April 04, 2009 09:09AM
#28 Disturbed Puppy:
Maggeh wrote:
> Should we ban video games? Those can be psychologically addicting.
Go read my post below, I made that very same argument against a couple people. My point was that it can be addicting. Not that you can't become addicted to just about everything. Saying it isn't addictive and saying it isn't chemically addictive are two separate things, I was just pointing that out.
Saturday, April 04, 2009 08:27AM
#27 Maggeh:
Disturbed Puppy wrote:
> Cavern wrote:
> > Marijuana is not addicting. This is what I mean when I say you say dumb crap. You never smoked the stuff, but yet, you say its addicting when all studies say its not. Also, get that crap out of your head that stoners are lowlifes. You watch too many movies. Alcohol and tobacco, even McDonalds, is a lot worse than marijuana, yet, you think marijuana should be illegal, event though the effects of it last no more than one hour.
>
> Stepping in here, it can become psychologically addicting. Since it does have positive side effects, it can, and does make people become psychologically addicted.
Should we ban video games? Those can be psychologically addicting.
Saturday, April 04, 2009 08:14AM
#26 Soldierman:
Even if they did make it legal you still could not go around smoking it in public. Alot of apartments would probably ban it also.
They main problem with weed is it can get people high around you, so other than special places made for smoking it and your own house, I doubt there would be many legal places to smoke it. Alot of bars would probably ban it to or they would not get permits for it.
I smoked weed for about 8 years and I know from personal experience that weed, without a doubt, effects your short-term memory, motivation and it is just not good for your mind at all.
I smoked cigarettes for about the same length of time too and I found cigarettes to must more addicting(no comparision). But Honestly, your just better off not messing with either of them.
There are no real benefits from either of them, beside maybe a relaxing factor. You could of course find something less harmful to your body for relaxation.
Saturday, April 04, 2009 07:02AM
#25 Disturbed Puppy:
Cavern wrote:
> Marijuana is not addicting. This is what I mean when I say you say dumb crap. You never smoked the stuff, but yet, you say its addicting when all studies say its not. Also, get that crap out of your head that stoners are lowlifes. You watch too many movies. Alcohol and tobacco, even McDonalds, is a lot worse than marijuana, yet, you think marijuana should be illegal, event though the effects of it last no more than one hour.
Stepping in here, it can become psychologically addicting. Since it does have positive side effects, it can, and does make people become psychologically addicted.
As far as it being worse than Alcohol and fast food, that's just wrong. Studies have shown that a glass of wine every day is healthy, with -no- negative effects on the liver or kidneys. And in regards to the fast food comment, most people I know that smoke cure their munchies by stopping at a fast food establishment and pigging out on the dollar menu(or anything at taco bell). You may site exceptions, but the majority munch on unhealthy food.
EDIT: Also, inhaling any burning organic matter in very, very unhealthy.
Saturday, April 04, 2009 06:54AM
#24 Cavern:
Trosh Kubyo wrote:
> yeah I'll believe that mind expanded stuff when pigs fly. Sounds like another excuse from a pot head.
Uh...it expands your mind, you friggin' idiot. Honestly, the fact you said that just makes anything else you say on the subject void. Everything you are saying on this subject is the dumbest crap I have ever heard, and you are pulling random stuff out of your ass because you have never touched the stuff. Also, yeah, not having first hand experience means your opinions don't really matter on the subject. I doubt you have even read articles on it.
You do realize that everything you are saying about marijuana is back when they banned it in the 1930's because they didn't know shit about it right? Every bad study they had on it was proven wrong. They just made shit up.
Marijuana is not addicting. This is what I mean when I say you say dumb crap. You never smoked the stuff, but yet, you say its addicting when all studies say its not. Also, get that crap out of your head that stoners are lowlifes. You watch too many movies. Alcohol and tobacco, even McDonalds, is a lot worse than marijuana, yet, you think marijuana should be illegal, even though the effects of it last no more than one hour.
Listen bud. I have been smoking weed on and off since 6th grade (I am in my last year of college now). The reason I stop once in awhile is because one of my hobby's is bodybuilding. I will smoke for months and months at a time, then quit for months and months at a time. When I am in my bulking phase, I smoke a lot of weed so I am able to eat more food (I have to eat 6,500 calories a day), when I am in my cutting phase, I stop smoking weed so I can eat less. But even in my cutting phase, I will smoke a couple times a months with my friends to have some fun, since I stop drinking alcohol since it is extremely bad in a cutting phase.
If marijuana is addicting, explain how I can smoke for so long, then just stop dead turkey with no care in the world? My friend smoked from 6th grade non-stop, except he doesn't workout so he did 10 years without stopping, everyday, all day. He got probation 8 months ago and couldn't smoke anymore, so he had to stop. He stopped smoking the next day, also, with no care in the world. It's not addicting. And what the hell do you mean people would steal and do crimes for it? Are you kidding me? It's not even hard to get. People might do crimes to get cocaine, heroine, etc. but not weed. I never heard of that in my life.
I am getting my master's degree in physical therapy. As of right now, I am a nutritionist and I work part time as a gym trainer. I hope to get my PhD in physical therapy. My friends smoke a crap load too, one of them is majoring in political science, the other is also going to be a physical therapist, one is going to be a lawyer, and one of them is in V.Tech, getting straight A's.
Most Presidents have smoked, and Einstein smoked a shitload.
Yeah, but I guess all stoners are out of shape losers, right? Because that's how they are in the movies, so I guess they are in real life too.
The Magic Man wrote:
> IT SMELLS SO GOD DAMN AWEFUL. LIKE DOG TURD. And people who smoke it tend to be just as bad.
Who the hell can stand to smoke a drug that smells THAT BAD DXXXX????
Really? I love the smell of weed so much. Everytime I smell it I run to it, lol.
Saturday, April 04, 2009 06:47AM
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#23 Kamahamaha135:
I wanna blaze all day without worrying about the police.
Saturday, April 04, 2009 04:25AM
#22 Jp:
Trosh Kubyo wrote:
> So having my own opinion about something makes me a retard? Sounds more like you are a communist.
Sounds to me like you don't know what communism is.
Saturday, April 04, 2009 01:32AM
#21 Disturbed Puppy:
Trosh Kubyo wrote:
> So having my own opinion about something makes me a retard? Sounds more like you are a communist.
Having an unbased opinion about a law makes you a retard, yes.
Also, nice job with the unbased insult. Keep trying though, you may just get it.
Saturday, April 04, 2009 12:48AM
#20 Trosh Kubyo:
So having my own opinion about something makes me a retard? Sounds more like you are a communist.
Saturday, April 04, 2009 12:44AM
#19 Disturbed Puppy:
The Magic Man wrote:
>[legality should be based on] IT SMELLS SO GOD DAMN AWEFUL. LIKE DOG TURD. And people who smoke it tend to be just as bad.
> Who the hell can stand to smoke a drug that smells THAT BAD DXXXX????
Some people like it. You can't base laws on how things smell, or how they taste. Especially considering everyone poops, and if they banned poop, we'd all either break the law, or die. Also, you haven't ever been around a meth lab, or someone smoking crack. Weed is a pleasant aroma compared to those.
> Also, I know a lot of people who smoke it, and do no other drugs, my brothers are two good examples.
> They are all lowlifes and good for nothings that will never do anything in their entire lives.
Stating one or two cases is not a valid basis for argument. Your "brothers" are Archetypes of the "pot smoker". Yeah, they exist. However the numbers of these types of people are a small minority compared to those who smoke weed and function in our society. Montel Williams is a great example of someone who smokes Marijuana. If it did what you said, Canada's economy would have collapsed into itself, and the Netherlands would be long gone.
> Sure, the drug might not do anything particularly bad to their body, but they are addicted to the drug, and need to have it, and will go to extreme lengths to get it, including committing crime.
There's no chemical addiction. Also, not everyone who smokes is addicted. You can't base the legality of something based on a psychological addiction, because no two people will handle it the same. Look at hte post below this for more on psychological addiction. Your statement that people will "commit crimes" to get a joint is moot, because it's just as likely that someone who's an alcoholic will compared to someone with an "addiction" to marijuana. Neither is common enough to make it illegal, only restricted.
> If you ask me, that is more than enough of a reason to make something illegal.
Okay, so if it smells, and people can have an addiction to it, it should be illegal? That's interesting, Poop stinks. It smells so bad, it smells like poop. Also, there are some cases of coprophilia(poop fetish) where the subjects are psychologically addicted to sex with fecal matter, and need both.
Saturday, April 04, 2009 12:31AM
#18 Disturbed Puppy:
Trosh Kubyo wrote:
> I don't need to make a good anti-marijuana argument though. Because in the end, we all have equal rights on the argument on it, and we all have equal rights on passing that judgment and I happen to be one of the people who disagree with legalizing it or even having it decriminalized.
There have been NUMEROUS studies done that support the fact that marijuana is no more harmful than tobacco. I'm not saying it's okay to smoke weed then go drive around, however there's no pertinent evidence showing why it should be illegal.
Studies have shown that Marijuana is NOT chemically addictive. And since humans can become psychologically addicted to anything(even dog grooming), this isn't anything close to a valid argument.
If you have no evidence against something, yet continue to be against it, you're a retard, and need to move to Cuba, where you can live with you totalitarian friends. Baseless arguments don't help democracy, they hurt it.
> I don't think any one of you are close to being any more qualified then I am to say ANYTHING about it, at all. Unless you have done comprehensive case studies in a scientific setting. And lighting up a fatty doesn't count.
I've read case studies done by several universities, and research that has been done in Canada. There's articles on the internet that have been published that show Marijuana is -not- nearly as harmful as we make it out to be. There are even more cases that prove that it isn't anything close to a Class I narcotic. I base my arguments on these studies.
And before you say I smoke it, don't. I don't smoke weed, never have, and I won't until either it's legal or I travel to a country where it is legal.
Saturday, April 04, 2009 12:11AM
#17 IcewarriorX:
dog turd? no.
And trosh, I said sound. However, you're always free to give me more suggestions. The thing is, there are plenty of legal things that people screw themselves over with that are legal that are worse than marijuana. I'm not saying go out there and hand it out to kids, I'm just saying it could do the world more good than bad right now if people weren't penalized for having some of it.
But we can agree to disagree.
I'm done here.
Friday, April 03, 2009 11:27PM
#16 The Magic Man:
I think weed should be illegal for one reason, and one alone.
IT SMELLS SO GOD DAMN AWEFUL. LIKE DOG TURD. And people who smoke it tend to be just as bad.
Who the hell can stand to smoke a drug that smells THAT BAD DXXXX????
Also, I know a lot of people who smoke it, and do no other drugs, my brothers are two good examples.
They are all lowlifes and good for nothings that will never do anything in their entire lives.
Sure, the drug might not do anything particularly bad to their body, but they are addicted to the drug, and need to have it, and will go to extreme lengths to get it, including committing crime.
If you ask me, that is more than enough of a reason to make something illegal.
Friday, April 03, 2009 10:37PM
#15 Trosh Kubyo:
I don't need to make a good anti-marijuana argument though. Because in the end, we all have equal rights on the argument on it, and we all have equal rights on passing that judgment and I happen to be one of the people who disagree with legalizing it or even having it decriminalized.
I don't think any one of you are close to being any more qualified then I am to say ANYTHING about it, at all. Unless you have done comprehensive case studies in a scientific setting. And lighting up a fatty doesn't count.
Bullied in school? Wow, thats just classic. I guess I also have no life, job or a girlfriend either. Would you like to toss a few more at me?
Friday, April 03, 2009 10:11PM
#14 IcewarriorX:
I guarantee you the type of stoner you're talking about is someone who had a bad future in the first place...he's probably taking more drugs other than marijuana. I know stoners which smoke weed as their only hobby, but I also know stoners who balance it out with their careers, and go to college and make high marks in school.
The fact is, you haven't mentioned a good anti-marijuana argument even once, which makes me think that you're nowhere near qualified to say anything on the subject. If I were arguing it I would've brought up things like gateway drugs and foreign drug cartels, but you don't sound like someone who's against marijuana, you sound like you're some kid who got bullied in school.
I'd find you and kill you right now if I wasn't high on marijuana.
Friday, April 03, 2009 09:45PM
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#13 Trosh Kubyo:
Also on a side note, I am also going to disagree with the old statement Marijuana is not habit forming.
On a chemical level I am willing to admit it may not be. But a habit isn't pure chemical addiction. There are plenty of things that can be habit forming that you never actually put into your body. Look at gambling and video games. Look at World of Warcraft or Ever Quest. These are all examples of habit forming hobbies that have practically destroyed people.
Everyone knows that damn stoner, the one who all he does is talk about pot. He can't wait to smoke it again. He spends all his money on it, or spends all his time trying to mooch it off his friends. You rarely see him sober, if at all.
Anything can be habit forming if you give in to it enough.
Friday, April 03, 2009 07:44PM