BYOND developers have to realize that they're not just competing against other BYOND games, they're competing against all indie games (flash, java, downloaded, etc.). Your screenshots show how an interface isn't good just because BYOND users will tolerate it - the interface might be to BYOND's sad standards but not up to contemporary standards. This is just one of many issues. Even with a nice interface, most games have tile-based movement and run at 10 frames per second. In 2011 there are very few games where that's acceptable.
Hello sir, can you help me pay for college? I start late august this year.

Just kidding.

This is so motivating. I saved the page so I could view it offline.
Oh a suggestion.

Can you point out the fact that $10,000 worth of subscriptions didn't happen in a week, month, or even a few years? It took you a few games and persistence to get to that point.

Most people trying to market the game will not see that figure unless they devote as much time as you did. They can see some decent profit tho.
Master rla wrote:
Most people trying to market the game will not see that figure unless they devote as much time as you did. They can see some decent profit tho.

Right, like I said throughout the post all of this requires lots of time, effort, and motivation. No one is going to be able to just roll out of bed one day and throw together a game that sells $10,000 worth of subscriptions in three weeks.

That said, you don't need to be a seasoned BYOND developer like me either. You just need to be realistic about what you can accomplish on your own (or with your team) and don't try to make things overly complex. In other words, don't bite off more than you can chew.

In terms of the people actually working on the game itself, Silk Games consists of me and one other coder (Spiff). There are many other supposed development teams on BYOND with greater manpower and many more years of combined experience than we do who haven't accomplished anything. We succeeded where they failed because we set out to make a real game, and didn't view it as some trivial BYOND project.

It's all about attitude and knowing what you're working towards!
Ten grand in three weeks is certainly a good accomplishment. It's no trivial amount of pocket money, that's for sure.

I could use ten grand a year form now. I could use ten grand now. Hell, ten grand at any point would probably be useful.

But even still, that's not enough to motivate me to really start thinking about really serious development. The kind where you plan your game, write story lines and other such things.

I do have an idea, a small niggling that I don't think I've seen done in an MORPG before, or if it has, not well enough to grab my attention. I'd like to try it, but it'd cost a fair bit of money in the short term, and I don't trust myself to make that money back in the long term unfortunately.

Given my time restraints, I could probably pull something off in five or six years. But I do literally only have one day a week which I could dedicate to it, and it's safety is on the whims of people who may just unexpectedly drop by for a visit/LAN party.
This is very inspiring ^-^
Yes, it is.
Im crying
By associating themselves with a popular IP, DBZ/Naruto/Final Fantasy fan games on BYOND are automatically having players funneled their way.

Given the minuscule "market share" that Final Fantasy holds on BYOND, I can't help but assume this is directed at me. Rest assured, I have been in the process of converting FFO into an original game for over 2 years. (Am I the only one here who still adheres to BYOND's admonition to NOT announce your games before they are ready?)
Gakumerasara wrote:
Given the minuscule "market share" that Final Fantasy holds on BYOND, I can't help but assume this is directed at me.

To be honest, I don't really know nor keep track of who runs what type of fan game here. Final Fantasy was just the first non-anime name that came to mind when I was making that short list of popular BYOND fan game IPs ;)
The Final Fantasy games on BYOND tend to be fairly decent, generally better than most fangames. (Silk, I sent you an email but my Thunderbird has been acting goofy so I'm not sure if it actually sent or not.)
So, just wanted to let you know that you showed me BYOND. I'd been looking for a language to do what I wanted it to do for quite some time and BYOND looks like it's it.

So I'm studying now and trying to program my own game. A bit curious as to hold long it took you to get yours out, what your design process looked like.

It'll take me a bit, since it's just me, but I look forward to being some healthy competition for you!
AlEcyler wrote:
So I'm studying now and trying to program my own game. A bit curious as to hold long it took you to get yours out, what your design process looked like.

My first game ever took me about 2 weeks. It was something that I coded piece by piece as I learned, and the first release was very basic and buggy. That said, it felt amazing to make something that (kind of) worked and to see people play it.

The best way to learn is by doing. To start, design an incredibly simple game with no glitz or glam and force yourself to learn as you go along. BYOND has a very intuitive and easy to use language, but as with any language there is definitely a bit of a learning curve and it's easy to get discouraged. The best way to avoid that is to start small and give yourself incremental goals to work towards.

That's my design process: outlining everything, but setting small and manageable goals for myself. My motto is "don't over complicate things". Don't set out to create a game with 100 different types of monsters and 20 different character classes. Instead create a game with 3 character classes and 10 different monsters - you can always expand it later on.


AlEcyler wrote:
It'll take me a bit, since it's just me, but I look forward to being some healthy competition for you!

I look forward to it! I would love to see more motivated game developers on this site working hard and taking pride in their projects.
Well, I've always wanted to make an original game, not a big one like NEStalgia but just a small one to start out with. The problem is, I can't find any inspiration. I've always a lack of creativity, which really bothers me.

Anyways, good luck with your further development and with NEStalgia!
I love this article and I've always wanted to make my own game but what if i wanted to make a game based off a anime.
I mean I'm creative but I've always wanted to see the "Dot hack//" series become a glimmer of reality.
I plan to make my own game with my own original design and idea but i want to get as good as i am in pixel art as i want to be in programming.

Also NEStalgia is awesome , how to see many more updates and success.
I absolutely love your attitude. This read along with NEStalgia has inspired me to pick up where I left off on my project, and give it another go!
Thanks!
I'd like to personally say that I was wrong to randomly barrage/slander you, and apologize for doing so.

Great article, also! You've seemed to perfected writing hooks.

PS: Some people have taken one look at Byond and thought its games were unprofessional and dumb from an outside glance. What you've done is automatically given us an opportunity to show what popular of a game that this site has, being featured on all of these different sites. Personally, I don't very much enjoy turn-based fighting games such as Pokemon or NEStalgia.
Wow! That is amazing success. I'll have to admit that I would never expect a BYOND game to be so huge! It makes me quite envious and eager to scrap my Pokemon game for a more original idea. But oh...I somewhat suck when it comes to complete originality...
Oh well...Here goes nothing I guess ^^'

GJ on NEStalgia BTW! Bona fortuna in perpetuum!
I know this is a tad late, but IF planning really does make a huge difference, expect friendly competition. I mean, I'd probably already be successful if I tried. The only reason I never tried was that mature byond members were to stretched out. Now that I know I'm one of larger numbers than I thought, I may try to compete.
If you can't tell which of these screenshots looks like a legitimate game, and which looks like some student homebrew crap you'd have found on a Windows 3.1 shareware collection disc back in the early 90s, then you might as well stop reading this blog post right now.

Okay, I stopped reading it :)
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