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My fiancée has a Wii, and she's been enjoying it immensely. We've both been progressing in Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, until about last week she hit a snag at an obstacle in the game that was virtually impossible to get through. Yesterday I gave it a shot myself, since I got to that same point. I had considerable trouble with it, but managed to finally make it through. Then she tried again, but being already past the point of frustration, she quickly lost patience with it. Eventually I tried to get her character through as well, and had more trouble than I did the first time. And ironically, all the online or printed guides say that this is an easy thing to get through. They're full of crap. And I don't think I'm any better at this than she is, just insanely lucky.

[Edit: The following is not a spoiler. It tells you nothing significant about the plot, happens well before you're even halfway through the game, and does not tell you how to really get past any of the obstacles involved.]

Here's the challenge: On horseback, your task is to guard a wagon on its way to a village across dangerous lands. First you have to have a joust on a bridge against a troll-type dude on a warthog who blocks the wagon. If you get past that and die later, you start after this part, so it's not too bad. But the next part is the killer. You have to replenish your arrows, then lead the wagon on a three-stage journey to safety. In stage 1, you and the wagon are fired at by a few archers from cliffs, and the wagon will catch fire. Once you get to a gate, out of harm's way, you put out the fire by using a boomerang that has the power of wind, then unlock the gate. No problem. Stages 2 and 3 are the big and little fields, respectively. In the big field, three warthogs with two riders each will follow the wagon and try to set it on fire with their arrows, while bird-things will harry it and drop fire pots in front of the wagon to try to divert it along several points. At the crucial point, they can divert it from moving into the little field and it will go around on the same big merry-go-round again. In the little field, you may have one of the warthogs follow you in, and another bird will try to keep the wagon from reaching the last gate.

So, that sounds challenging enough, right? Well it gets worse. First, you can't kill anyone. You can knock guys off the warthogs but eventually they'll get back on. At one point I managed to knock it down from three to two, without having any idea how, but eventually I had three warthogs back again, so nothing gained. Some of the birds appear to be killable with arrows, but the last one at each stage has to be killed when it appears or else it'll come back. (I think so anyway; let me know if I'm wrong.) So you have to guard the wagon up to a point, put out fires or at least reduce them with the boomerang, and then you have to get to a point where you shoot the bird-thing with an arrow so the wagon can move on.

The Wii controls for the game make this a smidge difficult. In your left hand you hold the nunchuck, which controls the horse's movement and Z-targeting. Z-targeting improves your accuracy tremendously with ranged weapons, but you pretty much can't do it on horseback. In your right hand is the main Wii remote, and here are the killer controls: The A button on the face is used to put weapons away, which you need for your ranged weapons to switch to a sword, and it's also used to spur on your horse, which you need to get ahead of or catch up to the wagon. The B button, which works like a gun trigger, is used to pull out and fire a ranged weapon (the boomerang or the bow) while you point the remote at the screen to aim. The remote must be shaken to use your sword in a standard attack, and you can shake the nunchuck for a spin attack that's normally very very helpful. Finally, you need the cross-shaped pad to switch between the boomerang and the bow, because you'll need both.

If all that sounds complicated, it gets worse. If you knock guys off their warthogs, the warthog can still be in your way and is difficult to shake without using a spur. If you run directly into a tree, a warthog, the wagon, or what have you, the horse will stop outright and is hard to get moving again quickly. The spin attack doesn't work for crap on horseback; it has a delay of several seconds here, so by the time you use it you don't have as many enemies in range for it to hit. The B button to pull out a ranged weapon changes the camera view, so you can't aim before using it, but it will also auto-fire if it's pointing at the screen when you use it, so the boomerang will leave your hand before you can properly target it on the wagon, and you can forget about using the bow and arrow at speed. Also while you're targeting with a ranged weapon, you can't control your horse. The only way to proceed past stages 2 or 3 is to wait till you're most of the way through the field and be sure the wagon is mostly not in danger, get ahead of it, and then bring your horse to a dead stop (or close to it) at a spot where you have a good vantage of where the bird will drop the fire pot, then pull out the bow and hope you get off a lucky shot.

There are two ways to fail at any of the above. The most common is for the wagon to get to the point where it burns up completely, which can happen if you're not really close to it since targeting with the boomerang is beyond difficult while on horseback. (You have to sort of shoot ahead of the wagon, which is usually easiest if you're directly behind it. Killing the bird usually requires being a little way ahead of the wagon.) Another way is that occasionally the baddies will get in hits on you, and eventually this will take its toll. If this happens, you start back at the beginning of stage 1--after the joust, but before any of the wagon chase. If you leave and come back, the closest save point is before the joust.

When I first did the challenge I actually got through stage 2 without a hitch but had trouble on stage 3. My fiancée was amazed I even got that far. When I eventually had to try again, I saw why that was. I had pulled off a very lucky shot on the bird-thing the first time around, and when I finally made it through it took two such shots. Pure luck and just being in the right place at the right time. Doing it again was even harder, because skill has little to do with it.

I like a good challenge, but this was stinking ridiculous. The complexity of this one task was enormous. I can only conclude the people writing the guides which suggest this was easy were all tweaked on crystal meth at the time, and also possess a superhuman ability to point the remote at just the right point on the screen and fire at the right time. The testers of this obstacle must have been freaks of a similar caliber, and its designers were pure sadists. And seriously, someone should die for the can't-control-the-horse thing.

In conclusion: Wii good, Zelda good, crazy challenge 10× more impossibly difficult than anything previously encountered: bad. Seriously, never ever do this to your players. They will not forgive. Trust me.
Heh, I remember that part. Fun indeed.

First off, I'm pretty certain you can Z-target the wagon to put it out while on horseback.

You also mention the bow auto-firing if you wield it while pointing at the screen. Not a problem. Press and HOLD the button. ;p Link will draw the arrow back, and won't release it until you release B. You can cancel the shot if you press A before you release B.

And you're right, that bird was annoying. (Especially when it took over five laps for me to even notice that the bird was dropping the explosives. >_< )

As for aiming the bow while riding, you'll get used to it. My suggestion would be to slow down a little before you hit B.
It was easy for me, but then again, I played it on the GC.

Probably the hardest part was.... Erm..... It's actually ahead of where you are, so I won't say a word.
That part was a bit challenging, but I felt great when I got past it.

Try knocking the bag guys of their wart hogs about half a lap away from the bird. Then, just aim your horse towards the bird and you *should* be fine. If you can, try and be in front of the carriage too.
I was fairly used to working with the remote when I was at this point (thanks Red Steel). I could have sworn it was possible to kill them. Maybe I was just shooting the riders off first which could make it easier to take out the archers. Then again I'd assume I'm faster than you so maybe I was just having an easier time getting their friends before they got back up.

Also, I'm not sure if you've got bombs at this point in the story, but if you do load up the bow with bombs and use those. That should enable you to take everyone off the hog rather than having to take one then the other.

If you're having trouble switching weapons you might find it easier to pause and switch using the item menu. Not so fun, but you don't sound like you're enjoying yourself at this point anyway.
It's possible that your killing them, but more are cominhg. I always thought that but I've watched them explode before and more would be back. This part took me about two - three tries.
Hmm. I wonder if there's a way for you to save your game to an SD card, send the file to me, have me beat the area and then send it back to you.
I hated that part then figured out it's really easy. Don't focus on the cart only. Hit the bird before it drops the explosive. It makes it really easy. Your cart won't go around in circles if you focus on the birds and put the fire out after you take care of the birds. They arrive at specific points on the route.
It sounds like the horse from Shadow of the Colossus had a roll in the hay with Okami's Blockhead Grande.
I'm not sure what the difference is, but I had very, very little trouble with that part.

In fact, I'm fairly certain that I didn't use the bow at all for the escort scene (though it was a while back, I may be a bit fuzzy on that detail).

The Wagon did become diverted into the little circle during that last leg, but I could have sworn all I did was follow it around, hitting any enemy within sword range, and it went on forward to finish the trip.

Maybe I got lucky, and cut the bird out of the sky, so it didn't drop another exploding pot on the second pass (and actually, until hearing it here, I never even knew that was what happened, I had just assumed they threw that little path diversion in there as a scripted way to shake the player up), but whatever the reason, that task really gave me no trouble.

A couple of notes on the controls, though:

1) This was said already, but holding the B button when preparing to fire a projectile weapon allows you to hold the projectile ready while you aim. Release B to fire. (Though you must know this, as I believe it is impossible to do some of the required tasks with the boomerang or bow without using them in this way.)

2) There's no need to explicitly put away your secondary item with the A button. Just swing the remote. It will automatically store the item, and draw the sword (might take two consecutive swings, I forget at the moment)
I didn't think of the bombs at that point, but then unlike the arrows you can't refill those just by finding them in the grass or killing an enemy. I had very few bombs left by then, and to refill them I'd have to get back to the village where I was headed anyway.
since when do robots have fiances.
She didn't watch the propaganda video.
Woah woah woah woah woah, wait a minute here. Lummox plays video games?
Lummox JR wrote:
I didn't think of the bombs at that point, but then unlike the arrows you can't refill those just by finding them in the grass or killing an enemy.

Yeah. They're a pain in the butt in Twilight Princess. I'm not sure what inspired them to remove bombs from grass/monster drops but it wasn't their brightest moment.
"The B button to pull out a ranged weapon changes the camera view, so you can't aim before using it, but it will also auto-fire if it's pointing at the screen when you use it, so the boomerang will leave your hand before you can properly target it on the wagon"

I also had many problems with the bow, boomerang, and other similar weapons firing before I had a chance to aim them. I found that I was holding down the button too long. If you tap it quick enough without holding it down, link won't fire.

Also, I don't think I used arrows that often. As someone else said, I managed to get the birds with my sword for the most part. I didn't even know there was a loop, I just went straight through.

Well, good luck! You still have a long way to go.
@DarkView: They probably needed a way to limit the player's finances, since they added a lot more treasure laying around in dungeons and caves. I know that I tend to run back to Kakariko to reload every so often, and it does take a (small) bite out of my cashflow.


@Lummox JR: The Gamecube version of that scene is considerably easier. Link can Z-target the bird, ride onto the same vector, and then just loose away. All you really have to concentrate on is the birds dropping the bombs. As soon as the bomb goes off, the horses in the wagon get spooked and divert into the field. Otherwise, they continue on to their destination. Once you get that figured out, you can just keep the baddies off of the wagon until it comes time to save it from the bomb.

Interesting point of note: I finished that mission with one quarter of a heart left out of seven, without dying once.
"They probably needed a way to limit the player's finances"

For the first time in any Zelda game I've ever played! (though it still didn't work in my case)

For instance, OoT was horrendous in its "economy". I walked around that game with a completely full wallet at least 90% of the time. I never had to buy anything unless it was one of those specific items that had to be purchased.

It would have been the same with this one, if there hadn't been ways to "waste" the cash flow. For instance, every time I passed him, I donated to that guy in Hyrule Castle Town (the one who asks for 30 or 50 rupees, and says something about love blessing you or something). I'm not even sure if it ever did anything, but I had the cash to burn.

But even so, I still never had any problems with money. In fact, I found dozens of chests with rupees in them (often the orange ones worth 100), that I had to leave behind because my wallet was too full.

And the bombs weren't even a problem for me in this one, either. I tend to not use them except for places where I have to, and the game was exceptional about always providing a chest with just the right item (a hallmark of the series; it's one of the ways they hint to you what you need to do in a given area), so whenever I needed a bomb, I either had a supply left, or I found a chest with some.

In fact, the only times I ever purchased them were the initial times they were offered, because I had no choice (and actually, I never bought or used the final type)
*cough* mod your controller *cough*
Yeah, I had the same problem in Wind Waker. And you do get something once you donate enough to the old guy.

I've never used the third bomb type also. I don't know why. I'd really like to see how they work, but I don't want to risk wasting one. =P

They do a pretty nice job managing the economy, but I still have some issues with it. My wallet is either completely full, or nearly empty all the time. I actually found a silver rupee once, (200 friggin' rupees!) but I can't remember if it was in a chest or a mini-boss drop. I seem to remember a specific sub-boss dropping a very high value rupee, but can't remember if it was orange or silver. Anyway, my wallet was full so I didn't get its value. That really angered me. >=[
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